{"id":16598927,"date":"2025-05-24T08:24:37","date_gmt":"2025-05-24T07:24:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/?p=16598927"},"modified":"2025-06-04T10:48:33","modified_gmt":"2025-06-04T09:48:33","slug":"jalaal-alavinia-%e2%94%82-la-resurrection-de-liran-passera-par-la-culture","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/2025\/05\/24\/jalaal-alavinia-%e2%94%82-la-resurrection-de-liran-passera-par-la-culture\/","title":{"rendered":"Jalaal Alavinia \u2502 \u00abLa r\u00e9surrection de l\u2019Iran passera par la culture\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><strong><em>Faire d\u00e9couvrir la po\u00e9sie contemporaine iranienne dans un pays comme la France \u2014 terre d\u2019une des plus grandes traditions litt\u00e9raires \u2014 rel\u00e8ve d\u2019un v\u00e9ritable d\u00e9fi. Pourtant, Jalaal Alavinia, traducteur et \u00e9diteur iranien de 79 ans, install\u00e9 \u00e0 Paris, s\u2019y consacre depuis plus de vingt ans avec passion et d\u00e9termination. En traduisant des figures majeures telles que Forough Farrokhzad, Ahmad Shamlou ou Sohrab Sepehri, il a ouvert aux lecteurs francophones une fen\u00eatre sur une po\u00e9sie riche, moderne et souvent m\u00e9connue. Pour lui, la culture n\u2019est pas seulement un pont entre les peuples : elle est aussi, peut-\u00eatre, le levier le plus puissant pour sortir l\u2019Iran de ses impasses politiques. Cette conversation revient sur son parcours, ses choix \u00e9ditoriaux et sa vision du r\u00f4le crucial de la culture dans l\u2019avenir de l\u2019Iran.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Propos recueillis par <strong>Mostafa Khalaji<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Mostafa-Khalaji.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-16149558\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Mostafa-Khalaji.jpg 200w, https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Mostafa-Khalaji-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Mostafa-Khalaji-120x120.jpg 120w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Kapitalis&nbsp;: Vous avez traduit en fran\u00e7ais les \u0153uvres de grandes figures de la po\u00e9sie persane contemporaine telles que Forough Farrokhzad, Ahmad Shamlou, Sohrab Sepehri, Akhavan S\u00e2l\u00e8s, Shafi\u2019\u00ee Kadkani, Simin Behbahani. Qu&rsquo;est-ce qui vous a guid\u00e9 dans le choix de ces po\u00e8tes?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jalaal Alavinia&nbsp;:<\/strong> Tout d\u2019abord la n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 de faire conna\u00eetre les \u0153uvres de ces grandes figures de la po\u00e9sie iranienne moderne au public francophone. Seuls quelques po\u00e8mes de deux ou trois de ces po\u00e8tes avaient \u00e9t\u00e9 traduits avant l\u2019ann\u00e9e 2004 quand j\u2019ai commenc\u00e9 mon activit\u00e9 \u00e9ditoriale \u00e0 Paris. Pourtant ce sont des immenses po\u00e8tes dont la po\u00e9sie est d\u2019une grande qualit\u00e9 th\u00e9matique et linguistique.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ensuite le souhait d\u2019accorder la priorit\u00e9 \u00e0 la po\u00e9sie des femmes, car elles ont op\u00e9r\u00e9 une r\u00e9volution au niveau du contenu de la po\u00e9sie en renversant la relation homme-femme.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La femme r\u00e9elle qui \u00e9tait la bien-aim\u00e9e imaginaire, invisible, non-existante et passive, objet de l\u2019adoration rh\u00e9torique, est devenue dans la po\u00e9sie des po\u00e9tesses contemporaines le sujet transformant l\u2019homme en son bien-aim\u00e9, et la conqu\u00e9rante des domaines th\u00e9matiques monopolis\u00e9s par les hommes comme amour, sexualit\u00e9, politique, philosophie et les questions soci\u00e9tales. Elles ont aussi d\u00e9montr\u00e9 leur capacit\u00e9 de manier la langue et d\u2019\u00e9crire des po\u00e8mes aussi sophistiqu\u00e9s, \u00e9labor\u00e9s et artistiques que les hommes. Encore elles ont r\u00e9ussi \u00e0 introduire, depuis le XIX<sup>e<\/sup> si\u00e8cle, une vision du monde moderne dans la po\u00e9sie persane et se dissocier de la civilisation visionnaire de l\u2019ancien monde.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La po\u00e9sie des hommes aussi a subi une transformation fondamentale, car la po\u00e9sie classique \u00e9tait essentiellement mystique, mais celle des po\u00e8tes modernes est devenue tr\u00e8s sociale, poltique et m\u00eame teint\u00e9e des id\u00e9ologies contemporaines et a trait\u00e9 les th\u00e8mes de la libert\u00e9, de la patrie, de l\u2019amour charnel, etc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Je consid\u00e9rais qu\u2019il fallait montrer aux yeux du monde occidental cette modernit\u00e9 de la po\u00e9sie persane, o\u00f9 plus exactement iranienne.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-kapitalis wp-block-embed-kapitalis\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"zQwudCUIHb\"><a href=\"https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/2025\/04\/11\/lexil-douloureux-de-la-litterature-persane\/\">L\u2019exil douloureux de la litt\u00e9rature persane<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u00ab\u00a0L\u2019exil douloureux de la litt\u00e9rature persane\u00a0\u00bb &#8212; Kapitalis\" src=\"https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/2025\/04\/11\/lexil-douloureux-de-la-litterature-persane\/embed\/#?secret=4bU1bjkP2o#?secret=zQwudCUIHb\" data-secret=\"zQwudCUIHb\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Traduire la po\u00e9sie est sans doute l\u2019un des exercices les plus complexes. Quelles sont, selon vous, les principales difficult\u00e9s sp\u00e9cifiques \u00e0 la traduction de la po\u00e9sie persane vers le fran\u00e7ais ? Et comment peut-on pr\u00e9server \u00abl\u2019\u00e2me de la langue\u00bb dans la traduction de la po\u00e9sie?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00c0 mon avis, il n\u2019y a pas de difficult\u00e9 majeure \u00e0 la traduction vers le persan, car cette po\u00e9sie contemporaine a \u00e9t\u00e9 tr\u00e8s influenc\u00e9e, au niveau du contenu g\u00e9n\u00e9ral et de la forme par la po\u00e9sie europ\u00e9enne. Elle s\u2019est lib\u00e9r\u00e9e aussi des <em>\u00abcarcans\u00bb<\/em> des r\u00e8gles de la versification classique, et s\u2019est donn\u00e9 beaucoup de libert\u00e9 pour s\u2019exprimer. Si le traducteur n\u2019insiste pas \u00e0 reproduire la musique originale de la po\u00e9sie persane, classique ou moderne, et s\u2019il arrive \u00e0 chercher plut\u00f4t l\u2019\u00e9quivalent exacte de diverses expressions, sa version fran\u00e7aise produira toute seule une musique propre \u00e0 la langue fran\u00e7aise. Pour pr\u00e9server <em>\u00abl\u2019\u00e2me de la langue\u00bb<\/em>, une traduction fid\u00e8le et exacte, ou de sens, donner des ailes \u00e0 <em>\u00abl\u2019\u00e2me de la langue\u00bb<\/em>, \u00e0 l\u2019instar de la traduction de Hafez par Charles Henri de Fouch\u00e9cour. Des tentatives de traduire librement et plut\u00f4t de cr\u00e9er une po\u00e9sie propre \u00e0 la langue de la traduction en se servant des th\u00e8mes de la langue originale pourront aussi transmettre l\u2019\u00e2me de la langue, comme l\u2019exp\u00e9rience tr\u00e8s r\u00e9ussi de Edward Fitzgerald.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Vous avez \u00e9galement traduit des auteurs classiques comme Sa\u2019adi, Attar, Hall\u00e2j. En quoi l\u2019approche de ces textes diff\u00e8re-t-elle de celle des po\u00e8tes modernes?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ma principale motivation a \u00e9t\u00e9 de faire conna\u00eetre la po\u00e9sie in\u00e9dite de ces po\u00e8tes, surtout leurs po\u00e8mes d\u2019amour (<em>ghazals<\/em>) et leurs quatrains. Car malheureusement ce genre de po\u00e8me n\u2019a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 traduit en fran\u00e7ais pour des raisons \u00e9tonnantes. Manque d\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eat des sp\u00e9cialistes fran\u00e7ais&nbsp;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>N\u2019ayant pas une formation acad\u00e9mique et la maitrise suffisante de la langue pour produire une forme classique, je me suis content\u00e9 d\u2019une traduction en langue moderne de cette po\u00e9sie, de rester fid\u00e8le au sens et de pr\u00e9server un minimum de la musique originale. Selon moi une traduction libre de la po\u00e9sie classique, libre des rimes et des rythmes, plait beaucoup plus au go\u00fbt des fran\u00e7ais.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Quel a \u00e9t\u00e9 l\u2019accueil du public francophone face \u00e0 ces traductions de la po\u00e9sie iranienne contemporaine? Existe-t-il un lectorat sensible \u00e0 cette litt\u00e9rature?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Au d\u00e9part un accueil tr\u00e8s timide. J\u2019ai mis 20 ans pour pouvoir diffuser largement la po\u00e9sie persane moderne et int\u00e9resser le public, derni\u00e8rement gr\u00e2ce aux \u00e9crivaines fran\u00e7aises, Abnousse Shalmani et C\u00e9cile Holdban, et certains m\u00e9dias comme Radio France. Forough Farrokhzad, gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 l\u2019effort des \u00e9crivaines et des m\u00e9dias pr\u00e9cit\u00e9s a conquis la France enti\u00e8re.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-kapitalis wp-block-embed-kapitalis\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"EetIPOBrkn\"><a href=\"https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/2025\/03\/31\/iran-tunisie-un-echange-litteraire-inattendu\/\">Iran &#8211; Tunisie\u00a0| Un \u00e9change litt\u00e9raire inattendu<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u00ab\u00a0Iran &#8211; Tunisie\u00a0| Un \u00e9change litt\u00e9raire inattendu\u00a0\u00bb &#8212; Kapitalis\" src=\"https:\/\/kapitalis.com\/tunisie\/2025\/03\/31\/iran-tunisie-un-echange-litteraire-inattendu\/embed\/#?secret=Pzs1tQCi0t#?secret=EetIPOBrkn\" data-secret=\"EetIPOBrkn\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>En tant que fondateur de la maison d\u2019\u00e9dition <\/em><\/strong><strong>Lettres persanes<em>, vous avez aussi un regard d\u2019\u00e9diteur. Quels sont les d\u00e9fis sp\u00e9cifiques \u00e0 la publication d\u2019\u0153uvres persanes en France?<\/em><\/strong><strong><em><br><\/em><\/strong>Demande limit\u00e9e pour la litt\u00e9rature iranienne, manque de moyens, capital, structures de soutien et d\u2019aide insuffisants, et enfin la situation g\u00e9opolitique du pays.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Vous avez dit un jour que \u00able travail culturel est la forme la plus utile d\u2019action pour l\u2019Iran aujourd\u2019hui\u00bb. Pouvez-vous nous expliquer ce que cela signifie pour vous concr\u00e8tement ?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>La politique et la religion ont conduit le pays \u00e0 la catastrophe. Les forces politiques prometteurs \u00e0 l\u2019int\u00e9rieur sont inexistantes&nbsp;; \u00e0 l\u2019ext\u00e9rieur elles sont divis\u00e9es et faibles. Seules les activit\u00e9s culturelles au sens large en Iran et en dehors du pays sont les leviers du rassemblement large des iraniennes et iraniens, et les vraies sources d\u2019une r\u00e9surrection future du pays, en attendant une ouverture politique.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Comment le traducteur et \u00e9diteur iranien Jalaal Alavinia a fait d\u00e9couvrir la po\u00e9sie contemporaine iranienne dans un pays comme la France. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":16598958,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[992,994,2433],"tags":[122496,122500,122497,121531,497,122498,121676,122501,122502,122499],"class_list":["post-16598927","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-a-la-une","category-culture","category-tunisie","tag-ahmad-shamlou","tag-akhavan-sales","tag-edward-fitzgerald","tag-forough-farrokhzad","tag-iran","tag-jalaal-alavinia","tag-mostafa-khalaji","tag-shafii-kadkani","tag-simin-behbahani","tag-sohrab-sepehri"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.6 - 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